Loving it...I have one request if possible...Are you able to allow it to run with NTSC tooltype? I'm playing it on CRT and playing in NTSC will allow it to fill the screen and show thicker "scanlines" which will make it look even more arcade-like.
Thanks mate. Also I did some testing just now. I'm using a rev 6 060. When I select 30fps and use my 060 at 50mhz it runs at 20fps and when I overclock it to 100mhz it runs slower at 17fps. Is there a sweet spot with regards mhz? I understand that this is new and probably not totally optimised. I am not complaining at all. Just wondered what the optimal CPU speed is.
**edit*** some people are having better results with 100mhz 1260 so it could be my setup. I'm using a TF4060. I'm using the WHDload version.
I would stick to 25fps by default if you're having issues with 30fps mode. Reason being this targets PAL (50Hz) machines, 30fps effectively has to be able to support 50fps, as it has to be capable of rendering a frame per screen refresh. If you didn't understand what I just wrote, and it's pretty confusing to explain, just go for 25! :-)
I would also use the version I've provided first - before switching to WHDLoad. Just in case it's causing problems. Earlier WHDLoad versions did indeed have a slowdown from what I've read online.
Just trying it out on my A1200/040. I'm getting an average of about 16FPS, which is okay. It sometimes gets to 25, and sometimes to 12.
The main thing that's missing (which I'm quite surprised by) is joystick control. Could an option be added for a 1 button joystick, since this is what 100% of people with Amigas will have? Up to accelerate, down to brake, fire to change gear.
At the moment I can't brake, so some corners I just crash on.
That's slower than some get with an 030. What's the accelerator card out of interest?
One button joystick support - something I'll address in a future version yes. In the meantime, Megadrive/Master System pads work if you have one. Or obviously there's keyboard support too.
Interesting. And to confirm you're running the binary obtained from here, not the WHDLoad version?
It's always difficult to provide a guarantee of speed considering there's a lot of different configurations out there, but I would hope you were getting better than what you've reported. It sounds slower than I would expect.
Yes, it's the one from here (outrun_amiga_edition_v09.zip). I tried it with no startup and just setpatch. I may have gained 1 FPS, as it was showing 17 FPS for a lot of the first level instead of 16.
Many many thanks for this arcade Amiga conversion, played on all my Amigas and runs very good, except for Apollo V4 Standalone fpga where the game shows only Copper lines on screen without the graphics. On V4 CannonBall works instead. If you can take a look to get the game also working on V4 I would be happy, even though I know many developers tend to disparage this system. Thanks.
Yes. That seemed to fix the startup. I had problems when I firsts had the V4 with other cores so left well alone but 11300 seems OK for everything I tried so far. Does have a strange feint background pattern on interlace screens but that is not a problem for Outrun.
In theory, installing the latest version of python will work on windows, mac etc. What happens when you follow the instructions and type 'python -h'? Does it show a working install?
I'm using a Linux PC and followed all the instructions, but when I run th Python scrip I get this error:
File "amiga_rom_exporter.py", line 16
SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file amiga_rom_exporter.py on line 16, but no encoding declared; see http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-0263/ for details
I used amiga_rom_exporter.py on my Gentoo Linux box and the python script works. However...
I noticed the audio conversion part entails quite a python dependency hell. Not only the mentioned librosa but audioread, decorator, llvmlite (which pulls in outdated llvm-16), numba, python-sox, scipy, lazy-loader and some others. I did not use pip for installing as this can easily clash with Gentoos' own package system, but sorted out the deps manually. Iterating through each failed amiga_rom_exporter.py attempt, which shows the python module missing at the end of the output. Also I needed to install the Python 12 versions as stable numba does not like Python 13 yet.
No problem, and no rush for my sake, I caved and used a Winblows PC to get the job done and the game runs beautifully on my A1200 with its 56Mhz ACA1230 with 64MB of very fast RAM. I just wish I had my old Zoomer steering wheel/yoke controller and QuickJoy foot pedals to play it with!
Feel free to drop me a line (my e-mail is in the readme) or jump in Discord if you need help. I'd recommend running the python script on a PC or MAC though. Raspberry probably isn't the best platform for that, even though it may be possible...
Absolutely happy to pay you for this one; I've followed your progress with great interest on EAB, and even though my A4000/060 is currently in bits, I will be putting it back together ASAP just to try this out!
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Excellent job
done a video for my channel
Fantastic port :-) I played on TerribleFire 1260LC @50MHz on Amiga OS 3.2.3. I think it's better than WinUAE :-) I love this game. Thanks :-)
Awesome. Glad you're enjoying playing! :-)
Loving it...I have one request if possible...Are you able to allow it to run with NTSC tooltype? I'm playing it on CRT and playing in NTSC will allow it to fill the screen and show thicker "scanlines" which will make it look even more arcade-like.
I may do an NTSC version in the future depending on the level of interest :)
Thanks mate. Also I did some testing just now. I'm using a rev 6 060. When I select 30fps and use my 060 at 50mhz it runs at 20fps and when I overclock it to 100mhz it runs slower at 17fps. Is there a sweet spot with regards mhz? I understand that this is new and probably not totally optimised. I am not complaining at all. Just wondered what the optimal CPU speed is.
**edit*** some people are having better results with 100mhz 1260 so it could be my setup. I'm using a TF4060. I'm using the WHDload version.
I would stick to 25fps by default if you're having issues with 30fps mode. Reason being this targets PAL (50Hz) machines, 30fps effectively has to be able to support 50fps, as it has to be capable of rendering a frame per screen refresh. If you didn't understand what I just wrote, and it's pretty confusing to explain, just go for 25! :-)
I would also use the version I've provided first - before switching to WHDLoad. Just in case it's causing problems. Earlier WHDLoad versions did indeed have a slowdown from what I've read online.
Just trying it out on my A1200/040. I'm getting an average of about 16FPS, which is okay. It sometimes gets to 25, and sometimes to 12.
The main thing that's missing (which I'm quite surprised by) is joystick control. Could an option be added for a 1 button joystick, since this is what 100% of people with Amigas will have? Up to accelerate, down to brake, fire to change gear.
At the moment I can't brake, so some corners I just crash on.
That's slower than some get with an 030. What's the accelerator card out of interest?
One button joystick support - something I'll address in a future version yes. In the meantime, Megadrive/Master System pads work if you have one. Or obviously there's keyboard support too.
It's an Apollo 1240 25Mhz with 32Mb RAM. Sysinfo says the RAM is running at 29.3 Mb/s. It also says "32 Bit Power-Burstmode-FastRAM"
I can play DOOM and Alien Breed 3D II okay, so I was expecting it to be a bit quicker, especially after I read the readme about the speed.
Interesting. And to confirm you're running the binary obtained from here, not the WHDLoad version?
It's always difficult to provide a guarantee of speed considering there's a lot of different configurations out there, but I would hope you were getting better than what you've reported. It sounds slower than I would expect.
Yes, it's the one from here (outrun_amiga_edition_v09.zip).
I tried it with no startup and just setpatch. I may have gained 1 FPS, as it was showing 17 FPS for a lot of the first level instead of 16.
Saving the scores, would be good, too.
Well done, it's quite an achievement.
Nice!
Running full speed in a A1200 + ACA1240/33.
Should we hear the sound of the engine/car while playing ? The sound test works but I don't hear much in the game
Thanks for that!
You can press up during the music selection screen for a pure SFX mode. With the music the SFX are limited.
ok. Thanks. I will try that
Fantastic, never donated before but this my friend deserves everything.
Thank you! Enjoy!
Many many thanks for this arcade Amiga conversion, played on all my Amigas and runs very good, except for Apollo V4 Standalone fpga where the game shows only Copper lines on screen without the graphics. On V4 CannonBall works instead. If you can take a look to get the game also working on V4 I would be happy, even though I know many developers tend to disparage this system. Thanks.
Same here. Vanilla OS with Kickstart 47.115 running direct without a startup-sequence. Oh well.
On Apollo V4 card ? If You came to apollo discord channel there is a new Core to flash rev 11300 for IceDrake and Standalone fpga systems.
That solve the issue.
Yes. That seemed to fix the startup. I had problems when I firsts had the V4 with other cores so left well alone but 11300 seems OK for everything I tried so far. Does have a strange feint background pattern on interlace screens but that is not a problem for Outrun.
do we have to use windows to run the python script, its getting me all kinds of errors
r@rr:~/Desktop/outrun_amiga_edition_v09$ ./amiga_rom_exporter.py
./amiga_rom_exporter.py: line 21: $'\r': command not found
./amiga_rom_exporter.py: line 22: import: command not found
./amiga_rom_exporter.py: line 23: import: command not found
./amiga_rom_exporter.py: line 24: $'\r': command not found
./amiga_rom_exporter.py: line 26: import: command not found
./amiga_rom_exporter.py: line 27: import: command not found
./amiga_rom_exporter.py: line 28: $'\r': command not found
./amiga_rom_exporter.py: line 32: syntax error near unexpected token `('
'/amiga_rom_exporter.py: line 32: `def read_file(filename):
In theory, installing the latest version of python will work on windows, mac etc. What happens when you follow the instructions and type 'python -h'? Does it show a working install?
Ithink whats messing it up is when i type phthon it doesnt work, i have to type phython3 on my sysem
I'm using a Linux PC and followed all the instructions, but when I run th Python scrip I get this error:
File "amiga_rom_exporter.py", line 16
SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file amiga_rom_exporter.py on line 16, but no encoding declared; see http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-0263/ for details
I'm away this weekend but I'll see if I can get someone to test on Linux and give you a response next week.
I used amiga_rom_exporter.py on my Gentoo Linux box and the python script works. However...
I noticed the audio conversion part entails quite a python dependency hell. Not only the mentioned librosa but audioread, decorator, llvmlite (which pulls in outdated llvm-16), numba, python-sox, scipy, lazy-loader and some others. I did not use pip for installing as this can easily clash with Gentoos' own package system, but sorted out the deps manually. Iterating through each failed amiga_rom_exporter.py attempt, which shows the python module missing at the end of the output. Also I needed to install the Python 12 versions as stable numba does not like Python 13 yet.
No problem, and no rush for my sake, I caved and used a Winblows PC to get the job done and the game runs beautifully on my A1200 with its 56Mhz ACA1230 with 64MB of very fast RAM. I just wish I had my old Zoomer steering wheel/yoke controller and QuickJoy foot pedals to play it with!
A dream became reality, finally!
Thanks for your awesome work, that I followed basically from the beginning, it was a pleasure for pay for this fantastic game.
I installed it on WinUAE and runs perfectly.
Thanks, thanks, thanks and one more time, THANKS!!
Wonderful stuff. Enjoy!
So to make the files I thought I'll use my Raspberry:
1) Complained about librosa (100MB)
2) Complained about llvm (250MB)
3) Complained about llvm version (500MB)
Ok, devs... I think it's time to stop over engineering?
Then it ended in this error:
Could not find a `llvm-config` binary.
LLVM_CONFIG=llvm-config-16
Building llvmlite requires LLVM 14, got '16.0.6'
Raspberry only has 13 and 16...
I give up... devs you win the over engineering contest I'm moving to live in a cave in the forest. See ya!
Feel free to drop me a line (my e-mail is in the readme) or jump in Discord if you need help.
I'd recommend running the python script on a PC or MAC though. Raspberry probably isn't the best platform for that, even though it may be possible...
just excellent on my A1200/060/50
Thanks again jotd! :-)
Absolutely happy to pay you for this one; I've followed your progress with great interest on EAB, and even though my A4000/060 is currently in bits, I will be putting it back together ASAP just to try this out!
Outstanding achievement! Well done!
Thanks Daniel. Hope the Amiga works once rebuilt!
Says 0.9? Any plans for V1.0?
Yes, but too early to say what at this moment in time. 😀
No worries. When you have V1.0, we will add it to the list of new games to be added to the Lemon Amiga database. ;)
Great! One of my favorite games! Now on Amiga. Thank you so much <3
No problem glad you enjoyed it!
Congratulations! This is awesome!
Thank you!
Awesome game!
My version cover
very good porage I had great pleasure in creating its icon
Amazing work!!!! Happy to contribute for all the effort to bring a nice conversion of a great game and part of video game history!!